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Posted by jstevens1 beck-web.com 11/23/2008 23:18:51 play online chess	Subject: Fried Liver! Message: lapsekili kindly started a thread on the 2 kts defense. Here is a continuum of it - The Fried Liver Attack. Ion touched on it in that thread but here are two games of mine, both losses in the Public Gallery called Fried Pt 1 and Fried Pt 2. The first was in a Bury League game sometime in 1998 in Brandon Leisure Centre, Suffolk against a young lad called Ryan Child. The second, Fried Pt 2 was against Coach Ion. Should this line be given the skull and crossbones for black or can black improve on it? You the jury decide. Joanne
Posted by blake78613 beck-web.com 11/24/2008 09:19:04 play online chess	Fried Liver Deferred Message: Years ago, I liked to play 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 d6 5. Ng5 where Black is pretty much forced to lose a tempo with 5...d5.
Posted by ionadowman beck-web.com 11/24/2008 16:36:59 play online chess	One thing about... Message: ... blake78613's line is that you can arrive at it via a Bishop's Opening. But I think Black is better to play 4...Be2 (as played in jstevens1 vs ionadowman in a game recently annotated by jstevens1) instead of 4...d3. That way he can answer 5.Ng5 with 5...0-0. Check out, too, the game Polerio vs Domenico, annotated under my profile. The Fried Liver Attack - more properly known as the Fegatello Attack - leads to a strong attack by White, but although White has most of the fun, it's by no means a gimme. Joanne was Black in both games she annotated, but had a winning chance in at least one of those games! If you want to test your imagination in defence, you could do worse that play on the Black side of the Fried Liver! Cheers, Ion
Posted by blake78613 beck-web.com 11/24/2008 20:18:14 play online chess	Message: Isn't "Fegatello" Italian for Fried Liver?
Posted by blake78613 beck-web.com 11/24/2008 20:36:56 play online chess	Message: Correction: Apparently "fegatello" is an Italian idiom meaning "dead as a piece of liver".
Posted by ionadowman beck-web.com 11/25/2008 00:59:38 play online chess	Well, wouldn't you know it... Message: ... I always thought it was a personal surname - and it is. But blake78613 seems to on the money, all the same. Just for the hell of it I looked up the etymology of surnames, and Fegatello (as are similar names) is derived from the word "liver". It seems it was used to describe one who cooked liver, but had an additional meaning: a brave person. H'mmm. So it is not mere mispronunciation that gives us the "Fried Liver Attack"! Amazing.
Posted by ionadowman beck-web.com 11/25/2008 01:25:16 play online chess	On another point... Message: ... something raised by blake78613 in an earlier posting, there is another form of "Fried Liver Deferred" in which White holds back the knight sac at move 6 for a more "opportune" time: namely 6.d4. For a long time it was thought this was stronger than at once 6.Nxf7+, and was hence considered the main line after 5...Nxd5?! Here is the position after 6.d4 b The sort of thing that could happen is 6...Bb4+!? 7.c3 Be7 8.Nxf7 Kxf7 9.Qf3+ Ke6 10.Qe4 threatening 11.f4 and a strong attack. Note here that Black can't bring the c6-knight around to support his pinned colleague, but nor can White reinforce his attack against d5 as c3 is occupied by a pawn. White might have interposed the knight at move 7 instead of the pawn, but then, this could happen (according to the American master Pinkus): 6...Bb4+ 7.Nc3 Nxc3 8.Bxf7+ Kf8 9.bxc3 Bxc3+ 10.Kf1 Qxd4 11.Qf3 Bg4 This is turning into a free-for-all! 12.Ne6+ Ke7 13.Bg5+ Kd7 14.Nc5+ Kc8 15.Rd1 Qxc5 16.Qxg4+ Kb8 17.Be3 Nd4 18.Bxd4 Bxd4 19.Qxg7 Rf8 ... Black should win from here, according to Yakov Estrin. Instead of 6...Bb4+, Black could try 6...exd4, but that can be the subject of another posting. Cheers, Ion
Posted by ionadowman beck-web.com 11/28/2008 12:43:27 play online chess	As indicated... Message: ... the next instalment, though I can tell by the lively correspondence in this thread you are all agog to see what happens from the last posting's diagram position if Black tries 6...exd4. Here again are the opening moves: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5?! 6.d4 exd4 and now: 7.0-0! ... Castling is an attacking move! White wants to exploit the open e-file as quickly as possible. Now 8.Nxf7 is a real threat. If 7...Be7?!, this could happen: 8.Nxf7 Kxf7 9.Qh5+! g6 10.Bxd5+ Ke8 [...Kf8 and ...Kg7 are both met by 11.Bh6+] 11.Qf3 Rf8 and White can choose from [A] 12.Bxc6+ bxc6 13.Qxc6+ Bd7 14.Qc4! (+/=) or [B] 12.Qb3 (+/=). In a blind exhibition in New Orleans, 1868, Paul Morphy chose the less energetic 9.Qf3 in this line, with the following outcome: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 Be7?! 8.Nxf7 Kxf7 9.Qf3+ Ke6? This 'standard" defence is not playable here owing to: 10.Nc3! dxc3 11.Re1+ Ne5 12.Bf4 Bf6 13.Bxe5 Bxe5 14.Rxe5 ... White is just throwing in his troops to batter down Black's defences. 14...Kxe5 15.Re1+ Kd4 16.Bxd5 Re8 17.Qd3+ Kc5 18.b4+ Kxb4 19.Qd4+ and mate follows shortly. At move 7, Black can do better with 7...Be6, but still comes under a fearsome attack: 1.e4 e5 2,Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 Be6 8.Re1 Qd7 ... Not 8...Be7 on account of 9.Rxe6! fxe6 10.Nxe6 Qd6 11.Bxd5 and Black dare not retake at d5 owing to a family check: 11...Qxd5?? 12.Nxc7+! 9.Nxf7 Kxf7 The counterattack 9...Bb4 has been tried here: 10.c3 0-0 {Note that castling is allowed if the rook is attacked, since the king is not attacked, doesn't cross an attacked square, nor ends up in check} 11.Ng5 dxc3 12.Rxe6 Rxf2!? (now this is plain weird) 13.Bxd5 Raf8 14.Rh6+ and Black is busted. Of course, 9...Qxf7?? 10.Bxd5 is just horrible. 10.Qf3+ Kg8 Not 10...Kg6?? 11.Rxe6+ Qxe6 12.Bd3+ Qf5 13.Qxf5#. And, of course 10...Bf5 11.Bxd5+ Kg6 12.Qg3+ Bg4 13.Be6 etc. 11.Rxe6 Rd8 12.Bg5 Qxe6 13.Bxd8 Qe1+ 14.Bf1 Qe6 15.Bh4 According Max Euwe (cited by Yakov Estrin) White has "much the better game". Personally, I'm not so sure. Black seems to have a reasonable amount of play, although the h8-rook will be hard to mobilise. I'd give White a slight edge, but will have to play actively to maintain it. Discuss. Cheers, Ion 10.
Posted by ccmcacollister beck-web.com 11/28/2008 19:33:32 play online chess	And so, we can safely say ... Message: it is Not a CHICKEN Liver~! }8-> { "one who cooked liver, but had an additional meaning: a brave person. H'mmm." }
Posted by ionadowman beck-web.com 12/01/2008 23:29:54 play online chess	Hi Craig... Message: I wonder how many people read this thread - or took a blind bit of interest? I notice, too, some enquiries about other openings, such as the Torre Attack or the London System. Not a lot of response coming in. I know squat about such systems (though I have played one Torre Attack on GK I think). No one seems to want to step into the breach. I can see why you got a bit disillusioned. You can see why I tend more often these days to be found roaming among the annotated games. Much more fun, there's interesting things to discover and to learn, and sometimes a lively discussion can develop. And most annotators seem quite to welcome comments. Cheers, Ion
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