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sumsar 306 ( +1 | -1 )
FORUM game #3 (FG#3) As I think ccmcacollister 's idea is good and I think it got killed by the Christmas holidays (and I messed up one of the games) I would like to try to start up one more. I will leave the first move open as the white team captain then can choose any line he want. I will overview the games like ccmcacollister did but I might ask for help from you all.

Good luck and have fun. May we all learn from the game!

Sumsar

The original rules:
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[*Foremost is to enjoy the game(s). So RULES here are guidelines we try to follow. But no penalty or negativity about any infraction or misunderstanding of them. In that case, we'll simply clarify and continue the game.]
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*Please DO have a board kept set-up to follow the game, if you wish to play. Thus, No "blindfold" moves, Please!
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*Anyone with Forum posting privleges can join at any time, but can only make moves for one side or the other; therefore must stick with the color that their first accepted move is.
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*When more than one player posts for the same move number, then the first legal move posted will be the accepted move in the game.
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*A player can post a move for his side at any point, but cannot make two consecutive moves. Some other player must make a move before the last player to post an accepted move can post another one. (At this time, Conditional Moves will not be made; but might be tried in the future sometime. Probably a later game.)
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* A game will be considered RESIGNED if no one posts a move within 24 hours for the side whose turn it is.
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[*The first player to post an accepted move for that color (excluding me) will be the Captain of that side for the game. Presently Captains have no particular duty or functions, but perhaps may if it becomes apparent that there is some need for such.]
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*I will serve as a REFEREE/MODERATOR in the first couple games, to make any Rules additions, as/if needed. My posts in that capacity WILL BE TYPED TOTALLY IN CAPITAL LETTERS, THUS EVERYONE ELSE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM USING ALL CAPS IN THEIR POSTINGS.
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*All participant or spectators are welcome to post notes after the game. Additionally, participants may comment as the game goes on as long as the move commented upon is at least 10 moves in the past. If any move sequence given as arising from that prior move#, try to avoid coming closer than 5 moves to the present position. This is just to avoid commentary that could affect the ongoing play or strategy.
[Still, its all in fun and so if it doesn't work out well, then next time notes can be prohibited until game completion.]
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Any suggestions about Rules or format are most welcome.
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Additional: Please post your new now in the Suject of your message.
sough 5 ( +1 | -1 )
1.e4 I'll kick this one off if it's alright. A big fat e4, let the game begin!
premium_steve 3 ( +1 | -1 )
1...Nf6 (have i ruined it already? ;))
mattdw 1 ( +1 | -1 )
2. e5 Ok, lets go for it...
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5
cairo 11 ( +1 | -1 )
2.... Nd5 I hope for a real battle!

Bw.
Cairo
wimpie 2 ( +1 | -1 )
3.d4 Let's rumble..

Nick
wimpie 7 ( +1 | -1 )
3.d4 This move came from my son nick(xerox on gameknot).
basbos 6 ( +1 | -1 )
3....d6 1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3.d4 d6

The first time to take part in Alekhine defense:-)
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mattdw 2 ( +1 | -1 )
4. Nf3 Lets go modern...
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3
ccmcacollister 182 ( +1 | -1 )
3. ... d6 1.e4 Nf6
2.e5 Nd5
3.d4 d6
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Ok, I'll dive in too, and even go with Black.
I played Alekhines Defense in my very first tournament game;
Schizazz-Collister / Omaha, Paxton Manor 1972 ...
and dropped a piece after trying-out the stunning new move "2. ... N-K5".
And so I've never played the opening again, in a tournament.
It can only get Better for Me!
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There is a great line for WT to play in blitz Chess, or perhaps even OTB event.
1.e4 Nf6 2.Bc4 Nxe4 3.Bxf7+ Kxf7 4.Qh5+ g6 etc.
The reason this is a great blitz opening; it puts Black into a position that requires a lot of positional savvy to play properly, and not get buried right out of the opening.
My experience has been that most under about 1800 will not play it well the first time they see it (aka lose) ... and those over 2000 usually will (aka don't lose :) . Given just for a broad generality to indicate some idea of the positional trickiness and the good Surprise Value (as well as the shock value of sac'g so early).
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If the BL King tries to walk forward so as to try to hold onto his Knight, he'll end up losing it anyway aor getting mated. Tho to do it requires WT to play precisely and know his stuff before entering into it ... if its blitz. And as far as I recall, BL is just in BIG trouble if he tries the walk, whether blitz, OTB or Corr. play.
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Unfortunately, the reason it is not a good Corr Chess sequence; there seems to be one line I have come across that gives BL the advantage into the middle game.
-SIGH- [So Whatdo Ya Do?! Another Blitz/OTB-only-Opening is born]
}8-(
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PS// Nice to meet you in the Forums wimpie ; as you know, xerox is a great guy and Chessplayer ... Still, I get to trump you this time. My MOVE came from the World Champion, Alekhine! }8-))
ccmcacollister 6 ( +1 | -1 )
Oh no ... Too SLow !! Bigger SIGH, my ship came in and I missed the boat {:-((
ccmcacollister 3 ( +1 | -1 )
4...dxe5 Lets go modern...
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5

mattdw 12 ( +1 | -1 )
Sorry about that ccmcacollister, I think your line would have been more interesting! ;)
ccmcacollister 19 ( +1 | -1 )
oops Sorry mattdw, i gotta remember to clean up my pastes. I think that is where we are right? waiting for a white move?
Actually I like that Nf3, Like Tal played :)
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5

mattdw 3 ( +1 | -1 )
5. Nxe5 No probs!
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5
sumsar 30 ( +1 | -1 )
WHITE MOVE? BY NOW WHITE HAVE ACTUALLY LOST ON TIME BUT SINCE IT IS COMMON PRACTICE ON GK TO ADD 24 HOURS ON SUNDAYS, THEY WILL HAVE TO 1/30/2006
15:52:42 TO MAKE THEIR MOVE.

COME ON PEOPLE! IT WOULD BE SAD TO END THE GAME ALREADY.

Sumsar
sumsar 14 ( +1 | -1 )
To slow I see I have the same problems as ccmcacollister... the game is still on then.
cairo 14 ( +1 | -1 )
5.... e6 Okay I'm trying with this:

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6

Bw.
Cairo
appelfflap 2 ( +1 | -1 )
6. Bd3 1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3
basbos 2 ( +1 | -1 )
6....Nc6 1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6

mattdw 9 ( +1 | -1 )
7. Nxc6 1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6...

I wonder if this will be worth the doubled pawns..
appelfflap 2 ( +1 | -1 )
7....bxc6 did you analyze it Matt? :)

mattdw 24 ( +1 | -1 )
I gave it a few minutes thought, but in the end I felt that giving black doubled & isolated pawns would make it worth it. Have I actually missed something obvious?! Sorry if I've ruined whites chances already! oops.
appelfflap 9 ( +1 | -1 )
just kidding. Of course it's worth the double pawn.
but now we need a plan
who has any idea?


mattdw 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Phew! ;)
We need someone to play 7....bxc6 (or something entirely different!) as we have taken moves for white already.
sumsar 28 ( +1 | -1 )
CLARIFICATION 7...bxc6 IS NOT PLAYED BY BLACK AS appelfflap IS A WHITE PLAYER AND mattdw GAVE THE LAST BLACK MOVE. IT IS STILL BLACK'S MOVE.
sumsar 14 ( +1 | -1 )
SORRY mattdw IS A WHITE PLAYER ALSO. STILL BLACKS MOVE.
ccmcacollister 9 ( +1 | -1 )
Um; er 7... bxc6 1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
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[I hope this is worth the doubled pawns, TOO! ]
... }8-D
appelfflap 6 ( +1 | -1 )
8.0-0 héhé
seems like nobody wants to play us Matt :)

mattdw 1 ( +1 | -1 )
Hehe :)
ccmcacollister 29 ( +1 | -1 )
mattdw & appelfflap ... If no one will play with you, have you considered it might be a hygeine problem?
It just might be we think our postion stinks !! ... }8-((
[Of course that's never deterred me before, but I'm not allowed to move twice in a row...]
How bout some help for Black, somebody! !! We need a SuperStrength move!
ccmcacollister 12 ( +1 | -1 )
Oops That is supposed to be "POSITION" not postion. See, its got me so nervous looking at the old 'postion' there, I cant even type now! HELP !
basbos 4 ( +1 | -1 )
8.....Bd6 1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
mattdw 12 ( +1 | -1 )
ccmcacollister I swear I had a shower sometime in the last...wait, when was the last time I had a shower?! That'll be why no one wants to play me. :(

;)
ionadowman 11 ( +1 | -1 )
9.c4... ...might liven things up...
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4
Is this a book line, by the way? 6.Bd3 is unknown to me...
appelfflap 3 ( +1 | -1 )
unknown to iona 6.Bd3 was already played by alekhine in '41.
It can't be bad
ccmcacollister 19 ( +1 | -1 )
9 ... Nf6 Ok, since someone must move! Forever hold thy piece, ye who withheld your preference to now! :)
On the theory, 'sometimes its nice to be able to castle...'
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1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4 Nf6
appelfflap 2 ( +1 | -1 )
10.Nc3 no queensidecastle for black? :)
ionadowman 12 ( +1 | -1 )
I think not... ...Black's Q-side is looking a bit porous...
The story so far, including appelfflap's move:
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4 Nf6
10. Nc3
mattdw 4 ( +1 | -1 )
Go on, castle Queenside, you know you want to.. ;)
alberlie 15 ( +1 | -1 )
Ha! Like the smell of bacon to the hungy or the jingle of coins to the beggar - such is this position to white!
And I say

0-0

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4 Nf6
10. Nc3 0-0
sough 7 ( +1 | -1 )
11.Bg5 11.Bg5 for white, hope it's decent and no one is rolling their eyes hehe!
sumsar 33 ( +1 | -1 )
Times? I was thinking about raising the times as both Black and White have actually time out in the game. Right now Black would be lost on Time if we followed the rules strickly. What do you think? Should we raise it to tqo days or perhaps 4?

Sumsar
ccmcacollister 96 ( +1 | -1 )
sumar ... Sounds like a good idea to me, to raise it as you suggested. Personally, I'm happy to play at whatever you decide. Or other players. But I did notice in the past games that the one day did seem to short, as people would eventually come along and add to the game when given a bit more time.
(Just as a thought to mention, not something I'd advocate for real, at this time ... An alternative idea for some future game might be to say that TimeOut applies to the players who have been in the game, and others might come along an pick it up from there?! But probably not workable to do with the present player-base being so small to start with.)
Since it looks like I'm elligible to move again, I'll make one for BL if no one else has by this evening. But I encourage our other BL players to hop in and move instead!
I don't really like to get into a situation that I have to make every second move! So please jump in if you have an idea ~!
ccmcacollister 117 ( +1 | -1 )
PS// What do you think? Another thing I was wondering about; might it make for more interest & participation if we didnt have to wait the 10 moves to comment? Maybe to reduce that to 4 or 5 or something? -OR-
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For a really different idea: What if we allowed some comment about the game with some restrictions, something like this?!
For instance permit a comment by someone after they move but (a) they cannot mention any particular square nor particular move, nor any piece by its name;and are limited to 4 (at most 5?!)
Words. For EG of fair comment then might be: "attacking WT's best piece" or "pressuring key center squares" or "preceding kingside assault". But not anything like "to take the knight" or "going for Ne4" nor "TAKE THE Knight!!" }8-))
What do you think of this idea, sumsar ? {Whether for this game, or just as a future concept to try out} What does everyone else think of it? To me it sounds like it might add some fun and liveliness ... and a bit more strategic continuity from player to player/ move to move/ of each team ... while yet not "Giving Away" too much? Or would it be too much?
Regards
appelfflap 8 ( +1 | -1 )
maybe introducing also something like a veto in some cases?

premium_steve 9 ( +1 | -1 )
11...h6 Not sure if this is the best idea, but I thought I'd try.....

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4 Nf6
10. Nc3 0-0
11. Bg5 h6
sumsar 48 ( +1 | -1 )
NEW RULES! THE TIMES ARE RASIED TO 2 DAYS AND IT IS NOW ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THE FIRST 5 MOVES FOR WHITE AND BLACK.

If you feel like it it I think it is alright to say a few words about the intentions with out being specific (see ccmcacollister 's comment above). Of course it is always fine to much the opposing team (no direct insults please).

Med venlig hilsen Sumsar
ionadowman 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Hey! What happened to my last contribution? Vanished off the face of the earth!!
Let's have another go... 12. Bh4
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4 Nf6
10. Nc3 0-0
11. Bg5 h6
12. Bh4
cairo 33 ( +1 | -1 )
12.... Rb8 since black has a open B-file, he might as well take advantage of it and maybe combined this with a minority-attack on the A-file, although whites position looks a bit more promising!

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4 Nf6
10. Nc3 0-0
11. Bg5 h6
12. Bh4 Rb8

Bw.
Cairo
mattdw 4 ( +1 | -1 )
13. Rb1... 1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. Nf3 dxe5
5. Nxe5 e6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. Nxc6 bxc6
8. O-O Bd6
9. c4 Nf6
10. Nc3 0-0
11. Bg5 h6
12. Bh4 Rb8
13. Rb1...