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doctor_knight 41 ( +1 | -1 )
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I was wondering if there was a better way to trade into the endgame. It seems like I lost too much advantage. Also, I want to know what other players think about me shifting my king to the queenside earlier in the endgame.

Of course any other suggestions, improvements on my play, or any tactical finds are welcome.
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tim_b 2 ( +1 | -1 )
To keep your material, I like.. 29. Ne4 if..Qxb4
30. Qxe8+
magna68 25 ( +1 | -1 )
The final position is won on white. My first suggestion is not to accept a draw when you have a clear advantage on the table. Let the opponent fight for it if he thinks he can hold it.

I didnt go through the match, just had a quick glance at the end position which is clearly won.

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ionadowman 117 ( +1 | -1 )
A good suggestion by tim_b... This is the position:
White played 29.Qe6ch?! hoping to take out the resulting rook ending.
29.Ne4 seems to be an improvement, but how about 29.Re4! skewering the Black Queen? Black could just about resign at once, it seems to me.

Later on this position arose:
White played 47.Rg4, but another idea is 47.f6ch with a view to 47...Rxf6 48.Re7ch Rf7 49.Rxf7ch Kxf7 50.a5. White can catch Black's pawn betimes, but Black cannot reach White's. If Black declines the pawn offer with 47...Kf7 then 48.Rh4 seems stronger than 48.Re7ch?!

I'm not sure that the final position is really a win for White, but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone playing on until all resources are exhausted. Supposing the game went on a6 Ra7/ Rxc5 Rxa6/, then I think the position becomes a book draw, or very close to one. But Black has to know enough not to let his king wander out into open spaces, instead keeping close to the f, g and h-files, and keeping the rook on the "long side".

tim_b 19 ( +1 | -1 )
Well spotted! Ion! I like that suggestion a lot more than mine. It seems I was thinking only about defending against Qe1++ and overlooked the principle that the best form of defence is attack.
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jstack 56 ( +1 | -1 )
some complete game analysis 6..a6 is not as bad as it looks. However, more logical would be 6...NxN 7. BxB+ QxB and after either the pawn recapture or the Bishop recapture black is close to equalizing qith 8..c5.
7..BxN? after this white has an advantage. But after 7..pxN black has compensation for the damaged pawn structure with the Bishop pair.
9. c4? what does white do if black plays 9..pxp 10 pxp Qd3
12. Re1 I am not sure what the idea is here. I would play Qe2 followed by Rd1 and Nbd2.
14. c5...I would prefer 14 cxd cxd 15. d4 followed by Rc1 with pressure on blacks c pawn.

In a few more moves black blunders a piece and the game is no longer interesting
loreta 28 ( +1 | -1 )
Final position... The most probably is a draw...
And after Ion's line: 54. ... Ra7 55 a6 Rxc5 56 Rxa6 (=) - a draw...
And Ion gave the really fine wining move: 47.f6+
And it's possible, that somewhere else in Rook endgame White could make improvement... Anyway, Rook endings are very complex...
doctor_knight 40 ( +1 | -1 )
29. Re4 and 47. f6+

wow. Didn't even think of those. Thanks for the suggestions.

I guess I need to work on my rook endgame technique, huh? I've been looking at getting a book for it. I should also practice a lot of rook endgame through software too. Man, I was just afraid of giving up that pawn on f6. I just somehow forgot that my king could chase the black c pawn down. Thanks everyone.
ionadowman 53 ( +1 | -1 )
Ummm... ...Hate to say it, but 47.f6ch don't win (though it is a nice try!). The things that suddenly occur to one whilst taking a shower! 47...Kf7 48.Rh4 Rxf6! holds the draw easily (49.Rh7ch Ke6); and though 47.Re7 keeps the game alive for a little longer, Black ought to be able to hold out.

Rook endings are indeed very tricky. We used to have a saying about them (though it was more a joke than reflecting reality). In rook endings, if you are a pawn up, it's a draw, if it's even, you're losing, and if you are a pawn dawn you have a decisive advantage...
doctor_knight 8 ( +1 | -1 )
that's funny does anyone have any recomendations for good rook endgame books?
loreta 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Yep, Ion, it's really -- after 47. f6+ Kf7 --- only a draw...
So it's look like a rook ending (after move 43) was drawish or near to that
ionadowman 68 ( +1 | -1 )
I have in my possession... ... a Batsford publication of 1971:
G.Levenfish and V. Smyslov "Rook Endings" that I have found invaluable. Possibly the thing has had reprintings or new editions in the last 30-odd years...
Some very useful tips therein. It was from there I got that one in K+R+P ve K+R in which the defender keeps the king on the "short side" of the pawn (this is if the pawn is on one of the central 4 files, and on the 5th or 6th rank), the rook on the "long side", on the rook file for preference, to maintain "checking distance". A couple of years ago I had to defend a protracted rook ending a rook down (against agmac) and this concept secured the draw...
doctor_knight 52 ( +1 | -1 )
yeah. I know about that ending. I've gone through most of Purdy's course on endgames and he went over a lot of R+K+P vs K+R endings, but it's the rook endings with more pawns that I guess are giving me trouble. A big part of it is probably seeing how to trade into a favorable K+R+P vs K+R ending, that'll take practice and some guidance.

I saw your book on amazon for $50

I am possibly considering "Survival Guide to Rook Endings" by John Emms. Does anyone know anything about this book?