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spurtus 60 ( +1 | -1 )
Paleface Attack 1. d4 Nf6 2. f3

I'm trying to play this these days to try to transpose into BDG. Does anybody have any links or knwoledge about its suitability and how to play it well if it does not transpose into the BDG.

Lines such as the following although perhaps less optimal that accepting the BDG seem to leave white in a slight bit of disarray pawn structure wise, although I usually strive to close the position with a pawn chain on black squares stretching back from e5 in both directions, but I have no idea if this is right.

1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d5 3.e4 e6
1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 e5
1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 g6

any views/ experience appreciated.

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spurtus 8 ( +1 | -1 )
this is good to know, nobody suspects the Paleface attack ahaha!
ironbutterfly 20 ( +1 | -1 )
Paleface Attack That's interesting, Spurtus - I had never heard of the PA, but since I play the Tromp and the Veresov, and occasionally the BDG, I thought I'd google the PA.
I got 218,000 hits!? Will let you know if I find anything relevant to your lines.
spurtus 4 ( +1 | -1 )
FYI butterfly I'm ditching the Veresov for the PA hopefully...
spijker 3 ( +1 | -1 )
Why not play 1.d4,Nf6 2.Nc3 if you want to go into the BDG?
spurtus 8 ( +1 | -1 )
Because of Nxe4, its playable but less in vain of the BDG I have found.

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. e4 Nxe4

spijker 21 ( +1 | -1 )
I understand. The best you can do is play the variation with 2. f3 an see wat is coming!
Only one disadvantage: the game can become a French game, or a Pirc, or a Kings-Indian or a Ben Oni and perhaps I have forgotten a few. Good Luck and have fun.
ironbutterfly 33 ( +1 | -1 )
ditching the Veresov Thanks, Spurtus. I'm less and less happy with the Veresov, and some lines in the French and Dutch I like, since I became aware that lots of players (at my level, anyway) follow lines on the DB that either leave me at a disadvantage or with a sterile position. The PA might be a good antidote for that! :)
spurtus 64 ( +1 | -1 )
Butterfly, i have to agree the Veresov (in lines I've played) seems too sterile... annoying so!... as I'd love to find some aggressive method through it... but I think it might be easier to work through the Paleface attack... the thing is nobody but nobody knows about it, this is good and bad... so its highly likely when playing higher levels to get a transposition into something they do know ... Saimisch KID, Pirc etc. so far my personal theory on the the safest general method in which to play the Paleface which does not become a BDG is to consolidate a pawn chain on black squares, and to try to prove knight mobility in a closed position is superior.